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Pardons
Submitted by davidswanson on Sun, 2008-09-14 19:49.
• Criminal Prosecution
On Tuesday, September 16th, our task is to define the power of the presidential pardon. We can start on Tuesday morning by all making three phone calls to (202) 224-3121 and asking for our representative and then our two senators. What we want is for them to immediately introduce a bill stating roughly this
I spruced this up a bit and this is what I sent to my Rep and Two Senators. Bruce
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PARDONS I ask you to immediately introduce a bill disallowing the President from forgiving himself.
Obviously an alleged felon does not have the power to find themselves "not guilty" and for their decision to be honored by this Nation. Neither should a politician or President be allowed to "forgive themselves" or others who conspired in actions causing great loss to our Nation.
Therefore I ask you to immediately draft Bill(s) which will disallow the President from forgiving themselves or their co-conspirators. The obvious necessity is for this matter to come before our Courts to be heard and all will have the opportunity to present their case. Courts move slowly and this case may indeed be tried after this President's term.
Suggested language for the Bill:
The presidential pardon power shall not include the power to self-pardon the president, or to pardon any staff or contractors of the executive branch, including the vice president, of crimes authorized by the president, or to preemptively pardon any individuals of crimes for which they have not yet been convicted.
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If they tell you there is not time to pass it, tell them that the point is not to pass it. It would be vetoed or signing statemented or ignored. The failure of this Congress to recognize two years ago that there was nothing to be gained by passing bills has resulted in a great many deaths and tremendous suffering. The point is to get 100 cosponsors onto the thing in a week and put the issue of pardons into the news, and that is completely achievable, and the bill can be reintroduced in the next Congress.
Also on Tuesday, contact the Obama and McCain campaigns, their local offices and national, their discussion forums and staff. Find out when they will be in your area. Find out what groups are working on bird-dogging them, what groups are submitting surveys to them, etc. Plan any possible way in which you can insist that they publicly oppose the idea of presidential self-pardons and preemptive pardons. The purpose of this is not to use our issue to influence the all-important eighth consecutive Most Important Election of Your Lifetime. The purpose is to use the election to advance something much larger than any single election, the future life of a government of laws rather than a government of men and women.

The presidential pardon power shall not include the power to self-pardon the president, or to pardon any staff or contractors of the executive branch, including the vice president, of crimes authorized by the president, or to preemptively pardon any individuals of crimes for which they have not yet been convicted.
The point is to get 100 cosponsors onto the thing in a week and put the issue of pardons into the news, and that is completely achievable, and the bill can be reintroduced in the next Congress.

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Submitted by davidswanson on Sun, 2008-09-14 19:49.
• Criminal Prosecution
On Tuesday, September 16th, our task is to define the power of the presidential pardon. We can start on Tuesday morning by all making three phone calls to (202) 224-3121 and asking for our representative and then our two senators. What we want is for them to immediately introduce a bill stating roughly this
I spruced this up a bit and this is what I sent to my Rep and Two Senators. Bruce
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